Mim & Ange hash it out, clarifying the new topic

Mim & Ange, Our Idea revisited

** This conversation took place 3 weeks into the project, after we had changed our topic drastically (after discovering that our publishing platform was now defunct) and confusion was in the air.
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me: Hey mim, hope the new notes make better sense of what we're doing.
miriamlwallace: yes they do!
thanks for that..was looking at it last night and it had no direction.. but now its all good
me: I was getting confused too so had to chat it out with jen

miriamlwallace: i couldnt find the assignment sheet for the presentation..
its not assessed as such..
me: Lemme check. Brb.
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me: hey again mim..well i went lookign in my bundle of papers
miriamlwallace: hmmm i have looked too
me: and i can't find it either. u already checked blackboard?
miriamlwallace: but nothing,
nothing on there and nothing on the blog
me: cos perhaps since its not assessed there is no sheet.
miriamlwallace: yeah i think kyla said it was more about the class critiquing where we were at
and i suppose a good way of knowing where we are at ourselves!
me: ok that's cool. so we can just explain to the class how our projects taken a different route because we've realised that some of technology is defunct (ezedia) and we're adapting to that (ha-ha). then explain our new topic and what we're doing to tackle it
miriamlwallace: yes! good idea... it was a big shift in direction wasnt it? But i think the idea of not using Ezedia is a good one as it was so last year :)
i bought the convergence culture - jenkins book... i want to go through it and find where our project really fits
me: i think when it comes to they way ppl communicate online, esp with the social network apps...it's not just about technology evolving but also what we demand as humans. so its like a frission of technology evolving but also human trends. like the need to be social, and connect etc. its an interesting topic
thank u! that would be great
i'm not sure yet actually which one fits ours best.
haha yes, ezedia was so very last year. and its scary how technology just evolves and things don't make it anymore. we should also talk about that. like i remember friendster, i used that first. before myspace. and it couldnt compete. i wonder if its still around
miriamlwallace: i think friendster is still around! i keep getting emails!
i want to find out whats after tumblr?
more than ever people want to be connected but to me its not so social.. everyone updating what they are doing 10 times a day.... when do you actually spend time being social??
that mocumentary was pretty funny.. that guy narrating saying he was going out to play "touch football"
me: yes exactly and we should talk about that...that is this jsut a phase..will ppl abandon twitter
will ppl abandon facebook??
great qs we should bring that up too.
in our research and our talk on wed..how we're interested in the future trends...if we can chart the evolution of tech and human interaction/connection...maybe we can predict what will happen next.
miriamlwallace: we could make some predications yes!
i think people are starting to abandon facebook
already
me: im glad these chats get saved..i'll ddvelop some of these ideas more. hey apparently friendster was the FIRST social networking site..we could examine why it lost marketshare to myspace..apparently its the most popular in asian countries
OMG SOCIAL NETWORKS HAVE A COLOUR? jk
miriamlwallace: most popular in asian countries!?
why????
http: //www.internetevolution.com/default.asp?kw=gglwh_internetevolution_ie
me: but what i think that points to human behaviours in packs..like they like to congreate around the same thing that their peers are doing. if friendster established strongly in asia first, it might be about ppl just following what everyone else was doing, and before u know it u have a whole community built.
i mean we'll find out after examining why some sites adapt to the environment (technology andwhat users want) and survive whilst others don't.
(one sec am checking out link_
miriamlwallace: nah it was nothing
just a crap link selling something
oh my god i just found my friendster profile from 2004!!!!!!!!!!
me: great website thnx for linking. this woman talks about how crap twitter is for business communication. http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=625&doc_id=174314
miriamlwallace: i forgot about it and have 1 friend!
me: OMG no way. i bet its hilariously lame
share with me..haha
miriamlwallace: really!? see i skp through things... didnt get that.. thanks!
me: i deleted mine becos i was disgusted by the lameness. this was years ago
miriamlwallace: no its nothing... obviously this is my pattern! i did this with twitter too.. im not into it so dont update http://profiles.friendster.com/9927494
no picture or anything
me: i wonder how important profitability is of social networks, like eventually are they meant to make money? if they don't...will they die out. this might have to do with which ones manage to stay alive. that site is had dfeinetly a more busineness minded approach to web 2.0 whcih will be great for our reseach too
see the thing is mim, and i think your behaviour shows this...we only join something most of the time because other ppl we know are doing it, because we feel compelled to belong. dont want to be left out. left behind. i mean that could be a big part of why 'social networking' has taken storm
its hard to not be a facebook member...u'd feel kind of left out of modern society (unless that was your aim).
like if no one u knew was using twitter...u wouldnt tweet.
miriamlwallace: well exactly... i was really into myspace and then facebook is the ultimate progression..
but maybe this is why i dont tweet.. none of my friends tweet and i dont see the point
what if the evolution of social networking is a revolt in social networking?... hmmm i doubt it
me: well thats a good point to bring up, the users ultimately will decide if these stay around or not, and the sites will have to adapt to user's needs and behaviours, through using better or more sophisticated techonology.
what was your last point, can u rephrase it
i dont quite get it.
miriamlwallace: well i read this article on the weekend "trying to find it" it was about this guy who had had enough of social networking and mobile phones and didnt even connect to email
but he was in advertising and he was making a stand at being so connected
but it there was no point i am just kind of rambling..
: )
me: ahh isee! you're saying that u think social networking is going to reach/or is reaching a stage when ppl are turning their backs on it?
like u were saying u reckon facebook is on the decline?
miriamlwallace: yes yes yes!
but you could go either way...
me: interesting..we need to find stats if we can to back up these trends. it could be true u know, and also its animportant issue, how much bloody social networking and updates and info can a human handle?
before we lose it and drastically cut back.
miriamlwallace: exactly.. soon we wont have to talk to each other because everyone will be informed as to what everyone else is doing!!!!!
me: oh oh oh, it might be that this very era in time we live in is the beginning with all these new social networking platforms like facebook and twitter etc, and an era of youtube, flickr etc.. and new stuff being launched like it..and its the whaddya call it..creative BANG stage
and after a while..natural selection/evolution will settle out what is actually going to stay with us...
creative BIG BANG stage. lol
miriamlwallace: yes! its all going to get too much for everyone will just cut back and simplify things.
i love the creative BIG BANG stage!
me: we'll incorporate that into our presentation and project! but yes..after a while..surely we'll all realise that only some things actually add value in our lives. look it could be that ppl feel that way about facebook. or twitter. if we know how these things come about we can prob make predictions
for me things like that aren't actually that important. i dont find facebook important at all
miriamlwallace: no i dont anymore.. but i DID! i was addicted! it was crackbook for me.. really bad.. but then i just wanted some privacy and i wanted to call my friends and hear there voices and catch up for coffee...
thats why i loved that mocumentary on tumblr
me: OMG thought of another thing...remember in that pp1 lecture there was that scientist saying that we do eveyrthing to make ourselves more attractive, like a primal thing..i can so see how these social network sites are based around creating and expressing a better image of yourself.
miriamlwallace: of COURSE they are... people who are projecting this persona.. especially apparent in myspace...
its an extension of your louis vuitton and whatever shoes and little white shitzu puppy... the whole 15 minutes of fame thing extended
me: but if we can incorporate that into our research..that is is a MAJOR reason why social networks have succeeded .. we can explain that if things that develop allow humans to share themselves (ie. share how great they are, what wonderful things their doing)..they might have a better chance of surviving. i think twitter started as that. ppl talking about themselves and the shitty things they do..
but its more useful now. as the users get more sophisticated and use it more productively then saying 'just took a nap. man need to wash sheets'
yep totally mim i hear u.
and then there's the otherside we have to think about is that if these are the big trends happening now, social networks and microblogging, how can creativity and media practioners get their works out, etc. hence our tumblr direction. seems better suited to that then say using facebook or twitter
the problem with just putting your stuff on a website, is that there isn't a huge userbase already built into the platform. ur website lives alone .
miriamlwallace: of course.. we really have to discuss the evolution of it more than anything to stick with the framework of the assignment...
and your blogs... which is what david karp was saying in that interview
which really made sense to me
me: yep jsut thinking of the produced outcome part..what we're making. that's all
and have to justify why.
sorry what about blogs? maybe i'll go read that article first
miriamlwallace: no no what you were saying about websites just being out there on their own.. its like blogs.. they just exist on their own.. with tumblr its all there in one platform
tumblr makes sense in that regard
and david karp was saying how he had all these blogs but they werent reaching his target audience
so our produced outcome part... that will be all on tumblr?
i think that will really work!
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me: yes it will be on tumblr, just had an idea. we could make our tumblr about our project on the evolution of online communities/communication. i mean use tumblr to post what we find, articles, videos, images anything.
like a visible reflexive practice .
miriamlwallace: yeah that could work.. will it be messy?
i suppose we could put it in the google doc first?
then post?
me: no i dont mean that. we'll still need a formal google document for our submitted research i believe. ok maybe my idea is too messy, i can't picture it very well. i'm reading david's article and he's explaining features of tumbleblog eg. "while you're doing research you can grab those links and share them transparently. "
that made me think we could use tumblr to show our research proces as well. but hmm maybe thats not good enough on its own. that could go in but we should really share some creative media content too. i mean thats what its about i think. sharing creativity
miriamlwallace: im sure we could
of course we could.. we could show it via the blog and then upload media content too...
i must admit i am still yet to look at tumblr in depth...
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me: same here. have just emailed the group with our tumblr address , username and password
i'll have a tinker later or tomorrow. find a theme and post somethings
miriamlwallace: great!
we're on a roll...
im blogging.. will look at tumblr after that
what else do we need for our presentation.. i think we came up with some good points just now
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me: probably just our topic, how we're approaching it and what we're exploring and talk about the stuff we came up with just then as examples.
we should probably just have a rough framework with dot points as a page in our googlegroups
and project that on the screen on wed. that way we dont have to remmeber anything and can talk off it more casually
miriamlwallace: sounds good...
we'll have your laptop to project it yeah?
me: yep cool. kyla's got one too
argh bloody blogs, thnk god its due next week not this week
miriamlwallace: the blog consult yes.. due next week...
and we have to blog for MI1..
does MI1 have a blog?